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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 13:49:00 -
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No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 13:56:00 -
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Harbonah wrote:A false soft baby blanket of false security that you can hide under so you can't see the monsters that are getting ready to tear your baby blanket in half and rip you a new bum before dumping your body in a shallow asteroid?
Close, we're making progress here. Anyone else?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 13:58:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:IMO, especialy with starter systems, it gives genuin new guys a first impression of the game, skewed or not
Ok. And what impression is that?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:To provide an area where aggression comes at a cost, so you can gamble on people's miserliness to keep you from getting blown up.
Interesting, but define cost please.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:01:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Role playing mostly
Fails at that then unless the role is that of roadkill.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:02:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Hisec is the totality of systems with security ratings from 0.5 to 1.0 inclusive. This bracket of systems operates under concord protection with respect to pod pilot interactions.
Fails that that as well. Anyone else?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:04:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Good grief, yet another one of these posts.
Define "these" please.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Interesting, but define cost please. Get a dictionary.
No reason for aggression. Simply pointing to the fact that cost is relative and may approach zero.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:07:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:Well by having starter system it will of course make the game seem more populated then it is. It will also attract attention of baiters, so there will be a variety of ships to cause a wooooooow factor
Ok getting much warmer now, so what you are saying is that it has an underlying "business" goal in terms of new "customer" appeal?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:No reason for aggression. Simply pointing to the fact that cost is relative and may approach zero and thus become irrelevant. None of which makes the slightest bit of difference.
Surely does. Try removing the word "cost" from your statement and see how much sense it makes:
Tippia wrote:To provide an area where aggression comes at a cost, so you can gamble on people's miserliness and hope it keeps you from getting blown up.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:15:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Pretty sure I see where this is going.
Hulk pilots aren't "new" players.
End of thread. Next.
On the contrary, i personally have no bias. I dont mine and i could care less. I am simply curious as to why this aspect of the game exists and does it succeed or fail as fulfilling its function.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Surely does. Nope. Highsec remains a place where aggression comes at a cost and where you gamble on people's miserliness to keep you safe. Whether it's relative or approaching zero makes no difference. edit: wtf, writing is hard. 
Right and repeating yourself does. Actually if cost becomes irrelevant then your statement simply means that highsec is a place where you gamble on people's miserliness at the risk of aggression.
I do understand your refusal to discuss this further and you are entitled to your own opinion.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:20:00 -
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Warpshade wrote:Imho high sec adds a different layer of PvP, whether it be wardeccing, suicide ganking or criminal flagging.
Interesting point. Thus high sec is really not safe at all, is it? In fact it really does not differ much from low sec except for the circumstances surrounding your death.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:i personally have no bias. Unlikely. You wouldn't use the phrase GÇ£getting warmerGÇ£ unless you have already made up your mind about what the GÇ£correctGÇ¥ answer is. Quote:Actually if cost becomes irrelevant then your statement simply means that highsec is a place where you gamble on people's miserliness at the risk of aggression. Good thing, then, that nothing of the sort happens. That means highsec remains a place where aggression comes at a cost and that you can keep gamble on people's miserliness and hope it's enough to keep you safe.
Nope, i have not made up my mind but i do have a guess. By warmer i simply mean we are getting constructive replies. Honestly, i've never mined in my life and i don't inted to. I do not care about bears as i do not care about gankers, i associate myself with neither.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Nope, i have not made up my mind but i do have a guess. Then nothing is GÇ£getting warmerGÇ¥. Quote:By warmer i simply mean we are getting constructive replies. Equally unlikely.
It's ok, really, no need to explain further. You don't like the fact that i poked a hole through your statement and since you can not argue it any further you have to question the reasoning behind my question. Perfectly understood. Now unless you have any proof that i side with either bears or gankers lets just move along. Thanks.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Nope, i have not made up my mind but i do have a guess. Then nothing is GÇ£getting warmerGÇ¥. Quote:By warmer i simply mean we are getting constructive replies. Equally unlikely. Their, uh, intent is showing.
Oh hey there. Glad you joined the discussion. Perhaps you could give me an idea of what you consider high sec to be.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:31:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:You have enough constructive answers. What is the point of this thread?
Glad you asked. The point is: with all the noise around ganking and mining and bears and goons and whatnot - does anyone actually understand what this particular environment is supposed to represent and what one should actually expect of it?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:The point is: with all the noise around ganking and mining and bears and goons and whatnot - does anyone actually understand what this particular environment is supposed to represent and what one should actually expect of it? Most people do, yes. The rest whine.
Agreed. Thus the fact that some guy who actually takes the time to write a long letter explaining how being a business man he prefers to mine and whatever it is that he does: clearly does not represent failure of other players or the game itself but perhaps failure of CCP marketing?
CCP: what did you invision high sec to be? What do you see it being now? Could we let the cat out of the bag already and let our new subs know that high sec isnt the PvE "realm" and losing your beloved mining barge isn't an accident but rather the logical finale or the sum of all of your actions which you've amounted to?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:46:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:So I ask, "What is the point of your question, and who are "you" to ask?"
I am the average Eve player but wait... what does your age have anything to do with anything rather than your age and who are you to ask me who i am? I'm 39, i like to listen to Muse and enjoy firearms competitively. I have 2 children and am at this very moment pouring myself a glass of scotch. Anything else?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 15:08:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Unfortunately the game would die without a hisec for beginners and casuals.
Correct me if i misunderstood but are you saing that the excisting playerbase that knows and understands the "harshness" of the Eve universe is now matter how hardened and glorious in its conquests is in the end dependent on fresh meat to keep paying for the servers and staff and thus it needs to lure and bait only to then crush and discard?
I don't judge, i am simply curious.
Is high sec then simply the boot-camp? The grinder that eventually weeds out the weak?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 15:18:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Has CCP ever advertised high-sec as a PVE realm? For instance, here is the description currently on Evelopedia: Evelopedia wrote:
High security space (also referred to as Highsec and High-Sec) is systems with a security rating of 1.0 down to 0.5. These systems are policed by CONCORD which awards some safety from pirates. While CONCORD does not prevent acts of piracy in high security space, they will quickly respond to such acts and punish the perpetrator. In many cases the response time is fast enough to save the victim from destruction. They will also punish the act by adjusting the security rating according to how high the security in the system is, the higher the system, the higher the penalty.
Seems pretty level-headed and very careful about its use of the word safety. I don't see where this would give anyone the idea that they are immune from trouble in high-sec and I don't recall CCP making statements inconsistent with this.
I'm sorry but that isn't saying much as it does not reflect reality at all. Some poor bastard is writing about being ganked repeatedly and losing his hard-earned stuff and the fact that he clearly does not give a crap about the gankers losing their galss cannons to concord and so on and so fourth. Almost everyone posting about their losses is under the impression that high sec means "occasional" encounters and "occasional" losses and that high sec "discourages" pirates and gankers. Wrong. As we all know and see the losses can be made "systemic" and that "safe" activities can be disrupted for significant periods of time and in fact given the will even permanently. It is wonderful that concord "polices" high sec but when was the new player told that concord can be rendered useless?
My qustion is valid: what is the point of high sec? To create a false sense of safety so that new players (except for the ones that quit right away) get a chance (not a guaranteed chance mind you) to maybe possibly "graduate" and stay thus continuing to support the game via monthly sub contributions?
Note that so far i have not suggested what high sec should be. Just listening to opinions.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 15:42:00 -
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Looks like we all agree on what high sec is at this moment. Now if i may throw in my 2 cents, i suggest that the following is done:
CCP creates a "starter" area for each race with a few stations, an unbeatable secutiry system and a single gate leading to the rest of Eve. No pilot will be alowed to leave this area until they complete a mandatory 2 week period. The area should have enough content to make the 2 weeks enjoyable. However all of the starter missions and tutorials should keep repeating a warning which would both remind the new pilot about what he or she is about to face and increase excitement. Pilots would be able to "challenge" each other ance once the challenge is accepted - fight but would not be able to otherwise attack. Target, fire and get a message stating "you may not fire upon this ship without offering a challenge" or something like this. After the 2 weeks the pilot may now exit through the gate. At this point he or she should receive a big pop-up message saying "You are about to enter the hostilve world of Eve where you can be killed at any moment. Never let your guard down and never assume you are safe. Even the highest security regions are deadly. You can and will come under fire at the time you least expect it" The pilot should then check off the "i understand" checkbox and be allowed to exit the starter area into what we currently know as high sec. Nobody can ever return to the starter area as the exit gate would not be bi-directional. Trying to enter the starter area would simply produce a message stating that this area is off-limits.
Thats all.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 15:48:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Looks like we all agree on what high sec is at this moment. Now if i may throw in my 2 cents, i suggest that the following is done. Your idea is ******, and nobody cares.
But they should. You are only ignorat until the game starts to die and one day when you can no longer log in you will say "****, we could have prevented this". I guess you also don't care about the neighbor's house burning down until the day yours catches on fire.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 16:08:00 -
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Problem is, with all of the ganker vs bear posts and cries it is bluntly obvious that people do not understand what the game is about and how to play it. How can you play the game for months and then be surprised and upset by the fact that you just lost all of your belongings because you decided to afk mine?
If you think that a "starting" area will form bad habits propose something else but we need new players and we need existing players to stay. We actually need more PvP, not less. So how do you encourage the fact that Eve is all about war and the only reason economy esists is to support war?
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 16:24:00 -
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Ohanka wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Tippia wrote:To provide an area where aggression comes at a cost, so you can gamble on people's miserliness to keep you from getting blown up. Interesting, but define cost please. just bugger off you utter troll
Off-subject but still, i am actually amazed at how many people are just hopelessly bitter. There was a study somewhere online that was talking about how "anonymity" online brings out the worst in people. Take you for example: are you an ******* online or in real life as well? Regardless, nobody forced you to read this thread buddy, no need to rage.
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Eva Rourge
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Posted - 2012.05.28 16:32:00 -
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And how is "Interesting, but define cost please." trolling and "give reasons" is not? And if my conduct was offensive - unfortunately i can not please everyone and nor do i intend to. Great day to you as well.
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Posted - 2012.05.28 17:30:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:if the vast majority choose to live in hisec... 'What is the point of nulsec?'
Perhaps then i should have phrased it as "What is the point of having multiple security levels?"
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